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Thursday, August 26, 2010

Cold Thistle Nomic HAMMERS fits Quark and Ergo as well

       Ally Swinton on a 13 hr ascent of the Colton- MacIntyre, GJ,  9-2011. photo courtesy of Dave Searle





Below, Bjørn-Eivind Årtun photo looking up at the head wall of "Dracula".




Proven on Foraker's Dracula and host of Cascade and Canadian climbs over the last 4 winter seasons.

Update 12/3/10
At Bjørn-Eivind Årtun's suggestion from his  successful '10 Alaskan season we have redesigned the C-T Nomic hammer to make it even lighter instead of the original 7mm face. The new hammer will also fit the newest Petzl Nomic, Quark or Ero tool heads and picks cut for a hammer or adze as well as the old with no modification to heads or the newest Petzl picks.

I had preferred a one hammer set up with the 7mm hammer.  The newest hammers have changed that.  Two hammers offer great balance with or without the pick weights.  Makes an even more fun pure ice tool. with an extra 38g of weight.    A technical tool like the Nomic will never be ideal for pounding pins (that won't change) because of their large clearance of the handle shape, but our smaller profile hammers certainly make it a lot easier and save the head of the tools, hammering or camming the head of the tool on mixed. They are easy to attach with perfect fit and finish.

For long committing alpine climbs they are a minimalistic option that works.   For banging in the occasional pin on your ice climbs they work.  Using them to protect your tool head while cleaning or camming the head on mixed ground...they work.

Our current hammers easily fit the newest picks from Petzl. They are CNC machined from bar stock chromoly steel and then heat treated to hammer hardness and hand finished in our shop.

There haev been slight changed for the better compared to what is pictured below.  The C-T hammer will fit all the new Petzl tools and the old Nomic as well, That includes the new Nomic, the new Quark and the new Ergo.

A pair of C-T hammers on the newest Quark gives you one really SSSwwweeeeet alpine technical tool with the option of the very best production picks currently available!





Jon Griffith entering the first ice field after the Hinterstoisser traverse, with first gen, hammers.  We are now on 3rd gen hamemrs.  © Will Sim





I choose to have the best climbing tool and have a just manageable hammer. If you anticipate the need to pound a lot of pins bring a alpine hammer as a third tool. If that is the case most will be a lot happier with an alpine hammer than any one's Nomic hammer, including the C-T hammer.

http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/947206/Re_New_Nomic

Not all Petzl heads are created equally. Our hammers are.  We have found a few tools that require very minor (1 in 20 maybe)hand fitting the pick and hammer with a file. It won't take much and is easy to do. If you can sharpen a pick any fitting required will be easy.

There is a 1 in 20 or less, issue.   If you have difficulties fitting the hammers once you have the picks and hammer in hand check the depth of the cut on the head and the amount of clearance.  As I mentioned the Petzl quality control in this area isn't always the best.

You need the slot in the head to be cut deep and close to the shaft or you will need to cut the bottom of the hammer to mate the bolt holes.  These are factory heads that did not need to be modified.  But you can easily see the difference in where the hammer and picks fit into the shaft.



This is a head and shaft that will need the CT hammer modified.  Easiest way to do that is cut a bit off the bottom of the hammer so the bolts line up in the head.  Better imo is cut the head in the shaft with a small file...but much harder to do.   Either way it won't change the strength of the hammer pick interface..

Hammer are $60 ea. (will fit the current production picks and is now even lighter with a 4mm hammer face...38g per hammer and much easier to fit than the earlier Petzl offering )


Photo courtesy of Alastair Swinton soloing the Chere route, N. Face of the Midi, Chamonix.

They are done, they are shipping and they are one genration better! No dicking around on the fit. Simply bolt them on with the current Petzl picks. A new stronger and more durable design. Designed to fit perfectly on the old or new tools.

Please NOTE! Feb 3, 2013..... We are now shipping hammers again. The stock won't last for ever. I have sold out every production run in the last 3 years in just weeks.  No additional shipping charges for International orders!  Just ignore the add ons if you are ordering.

 
Nomic/Petzl options




49 comments:

  1. Hi, great site and info. Do you also make an adze for the Nomic, and if so what's the weight and is there a picture. I'm thinking of a nomic as an all-round alpine/mixed tool, and swapping the pick weights for adze/hammer -- and yours look great for the weight.

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  2. I have the old nomics with the old head and astro picks. I want the cascade picks and these C-T Hammers, so should I just order the new cascade picks from Petzl and your hammers will fit those? Thanks!
    Nick

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  3. Hi, how about a bigger hammer for the new Quark? It's the only thing that keeps it from being the best all-round tool...

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  4. We ship any where in the world! Our C/T hammers have been shipped to Sweden, Norway, France, England, Scotland, Canada and even California :)

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  5. All shipping is via US Priority Mail.

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  6. I can now add, Montana, Washigton, Oregon, Utah, Idaho, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, New Hamshire, Colorado, Italy, Finland and Wyoming to that ship list. Big fun!

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  7. Dane, I've got a set of older Nomics that need Hammer on them. If I send them to you by OCT. 1st when do you think I can expect them back? Also, Do you have time to play in Canada next month?

    Cheers,
    JACK R

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  8. Hi Jack, no need to send me your tools. The hammers bolt righton with a tiny bit of file work to the new picks.

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  9. Dane,

    Do you still have a pair of hammers taking up space for the nomics?

    Thanks,
    Justin

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  10. I still have a few extras.

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  11. Dear Dane
    I have just tried to buy 2 4mm hammers on the above paypal link. I also clicked "rest of world shipping" as i am in Scotland. In the paypal checkout it adds another $15 for shipping. Is this correct? please advise what i should do.
    Many thanks
    James

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  12. Hi James, yes the ROW shipping is correct for Scotland. Cheers,Dane

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  13. Hi Dane,

    First off, awsome site and very helpful. You mention next shipping date for hammers being mid december. what with xmas an all, i was wondering how quick they are likely to turn up in the uk, given Im off to cham on the 27th dec.

    Cheers

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  14. No telling the exact date they will be done, sorry. I am currently shooting for mid Dec. depending on the order volume. I ship to Cham and the UK on a regualr basis and it is usually 7 to 10 days from here to either the UK or Cham. Best to plan accordingly.

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  15. Hello, any still available?

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  16. Hello! Do you know when you will have another batch for sale? thanks, emily

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  17. I second that question!

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  18. It will be a couple of months yet I suspect.

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    1. Also interested in a pair of hammers.

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  19. Is there a waiting list, put me on it :D

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  20. Is there a possibility to ship the hammers to Slowenia-Europe?
    Marko

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  21. Dane,
    Do you know when you will be selling more hammers? Also, what is the "very best production pick currently available" that you reference above? The "Dry"? Thanks.
    -Sean

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  22. how can I put my name down for the next order?

    cheers,

    Tom

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  23. Also interested in a pair of hammers.

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  24. Yes, I'm in for a pair of hammers as well. Dane let us know where / when to sign up. Thanks, Ryan.

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  25. Dane, when are these going to be available this year?

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  26. Hi Guys,
    I am running a new batch of hammers in May 2012. Once I have a set date and get started I'll announce it on Cold Thistle and here and will then start taking deposits again.

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    1. Thinking of buying a pair of your hammer heads. How can I order? The link above doesn´t work since you are out of stock?

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    2. Hi Dane, looking for a pair of hammers, how and where do i order them.

      Cheers

      bob

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    3. Hey, Awesome blog! really keen for a pair of hammers, when will they be available and can you ship to New Zealand?

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  27. Hey Dane,

    I'm definitely still interested in a pair as well. Just want to make sure I'm on the list before they sell out again.

    Thanks, Ryan

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  28. Hammers will be available again in Sept..best to order now via Pay Pal!

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  29. Hi Dane,

    I'm about to order one of your CT hammers to get in the queue for the next production run. I just want to confirm - this hammer will fit on the latest versions of the Nomic and Ergo with either the T ICE or T DRY picks - is this correct?

    Thanks!

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  30. Yes, the CT hammers drop right in (although they are tight) to the newest picks, either Dry or Ice and can be used on the older Nomics or the newest versions of the Nomic, Quark or Ergo.

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  31. Howdy Dane,
    Sounds like Jan for the next run of hammers; how many clams do you want for a deposit on a pair?
    Cheers,
    Mark

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  32. Hammers available again in late Dec 2012...these are the last ones ...at the least till fall of 2013.

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  33. Hopefully late Dec or the first week of Jan, we should be shipping hamemrs again. Act quick though they won't last.

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  34. Hey Dane

    Still looking at this week to get the hammers? I'm eagerly awaiting a pair for my first pair of nomics. Been using cobras the last 4 years and what a difference nomics make! Ice is even more fun

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  35. Packing them up now. Shipping next week! 1/7/13

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  36. Howdy Dane, just checking to see if them puppies went out last week.
    Danke! Mark Bunker

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    1. Got 'em; nice work man, dropped right in!
      Many thanks,
      Mark

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  38. Hi Dane, I was looking at purchasing one hammer and was wondering if there were still some in stock?
    Thanks!
    Rebecca

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  39. Hi Rebecca, I still have a good stock of them and can ship in the morning for you. Order two, they are cheap:) cheers, Dane

    Good reminder to changethe copy ad here!

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  40. Hi Dane, do you still have Hammers in stock? i tried purchasing some but it just seems to take me to the paypal home page.

    cheers,
    Graham.

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  41. Hi Graham, I do still have hammer to ship. Seems this link is broken.

    This one is still good:

    http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2013/01/cold-thistle-hammers.html

    Email me direct if you still have problems.

    best,
    Dane

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  42. BUY CT HAMMERS!!!!! I just replaced the stock (Petzl) hammer on my Quark with a recently purchased CT hammer...And am already thinking about purchasing a second. It fits perfectly and makes it evident (if it wasn't already) how subpar the Petzl stock hammers are.

    Thanks, Dane!

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